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Damnnnnnnn, this was a good one. You've been my go-to for transfeminist theory for a while, but this made me finally stop lurking and subscribe.

A big pet interest of mine is thinking about the history of pre-Christian Europe through the lens of decolonization, which involves resisting the narrative of the "glory" and the "greatness" of ancient Greece and Rome that was originally created to retroactively explain (and justify) the notion of a cohesive European/Western/Christian monoculture. (I could go on and on about this, but I don't want to clog up this comment). I really found your call to resist romantic notions of an ideal pre-colonialist utopia in favor of praising the hard, *real* work done by our foremothers to survive and advocate for themselves to be a refreshing wake-up call.

As for the concepts of "anafemales" and "anamales" (yikes), as well as a highly academic version of "statistics are a white people thing"...yeah. That's certainly...a take. I certainly have sympathy for how difficult it is to articulate an epistemic system that's been historically belittled, dissected and dismissed by a significant number of your colleagues, but it seemed from your analysis like Oyěwùmí was more interested in demonstrating how *unlike* (homogenized) Western culture that Yoruba culture is than she was in her own thesis (namely, the effects that colonialism has on a particular culture's prior understanding of gender).

Definitely taking away the dangers of homogenizing/universalizing even colonialist processes (such as accidentally conflating the genocide of tribal cultures in America with the extractivist colonialism of the British in India); I think you explained this really well, and that might be the best part of the article for me.

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"Did you believe the things I said about Indian society in the very first section of this essay? You really shouldn’t have."

I won't lie, when I read it, I got that feeling I get in my stomach I get from my Christian upbringing in America, that sensation of 'someone has just put a shiny and happy gloss on top of a horrifying story about how you should submit to the powerful or die, and is explaining to you now why the obvious message of the story isn't *really* the obvious message of the story, even though the people telling you the story are clearly telling you it in order to communicate the obvious message.'

But, well, and I understand full well that this is your point - I was raised as a Christian in America. I have never heard of the Mahabharata or Eklavya. I couldn't pronounce those words correctly if my life depended on it. And so, I was hesitant to comment about it. Literally my only knowledge of the story is the words you wrote at the top of this piece. I'd be shooting my mouth off about something which I knew almost nothing, so while I got a really strong 'this doesn't sound right to me, this sounds suspicious and dangerous' sense from the story, I didn't know it well enough to provide my own analysis.

Again, raised Christian in America. I can go on for nearly an hour about the Exodus from Egypt and the plagues therein. I have absolutely no idea about other cultures. (Though to be honest, I can't help but always think that the stories rhyme. When someone else shares a story with me, I can see connections that speak to a shared humanity, because the best stories always speak to that. )

I think that at least some of it is not "Orientalism has cast a magical spell on Western liberals causing them to gullibly accept the lies of local reactionaries and conservatives as part of that culture", but more "the further you go from your own experiences, the less reasonable people are willing to make judgments of their own, because they aren't an expert and they have someone right in front of them claiming to be one; someone who would be on much more familiar ground than they would if they started engaging in a protracted debate about the matter."

Maybe that's a big chunk of your point and I just missed it, but from reading it, I've gotten the impression that you're heavily emphasizing about a desire to not be seen as racist as the primary factor influencing Western feminist silence on this sort of thing. And that's there- that's absolutely there - but I think a desire not to be seen as ignorantly firing off hot takes and swinging at everything that passes vaguely over the plate in front of them (or whatever you'd call that in cricket instead of baseball, I'm sadly not very familiar with that either) is also a serious factor here.

Again, this is probably stuff you're already quite familiar with. This is just my read on the situation here.

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